Friday, March 13, 2009

States and Stages (Jan 21 2007) part 4

11:51 - what is the role of compassion in enlightenment?

12:12 - compassion is not an absolute, compassion is relative bodhicitta - the enlightened mind (bodhi - enlightenment; citta - consciousness, mind)

12:38 - there's a relative bodhicitta and an absolute bodhicitta

12:42 - absolute bodhicitta is sunyata (emptiness), relative bodhicitta is compassion

13:00 - the practice of compassion will not lead you to enlightenment

13:25 - absolute bodhicitta awakens you from the dream, relative bodhicitta prevents the dream from becoming a nightmare

13:37 - the practice of compassion makes the dream as relatively comfortable as it can be

13:49 - but it won't wake you up

14:10 - should a person practice compassion before enlightenment, or after?

14:39 - you practice compassion before enlightenment, because after enlightenment, you tend to not want to change anything

16:58 - what is the relation between states and stages and compassion and sunyata?

17:20 - lines have structures / stages

17:35 - in Mahayana, sila is ethics, dhyana is meditation, prajna is illumination / awakening

18:22 - if you're dealing with the relative / form side, you're dealing with structures, if you're dealing with the absolute / emptiness side, you're dealing with the ultimate state

20:30 - crazy wisdom isn't wisdom

25:01 - it's healthy to have a sense of confidence and a sense of humility

28:29 - there's nothing more dangerous than a contemplative without direction - Merton

29:24 - we honor the traditions and the accumulated wisdom they offer,

29:45 - and we take the next step, begin the fourth turning

30:04 - you do not need to adopt pre-industrial, feudalistic, mythic, agrarian, patriarchal values of a religion in order to attain enlightenment

30:31 - at earlier stages of development, those values are perfectly appropriate

30:35 - but we also include each tradition's higher teachings

32:01 - is holding on to a tradition a filter?

33:36 - disengaging with the values of a particular religion is stage development

34:33 - we make the mistake of thinking that the limited values of a stage are the problem of a particular religion (e.g. Christianity)

34:45 - and so we reject that religion, thinking that it is that religion that is generating the stage

34:48 - we could develop through the stages while staying in one religion,

34:54 - but many jump from one religion to another

35:06 - but it must be realized that the modality of expression (a particular religion) is irrelevant to vertical stage development

35:14 - everybody is born at the beginning of the hierarchy, and everyone is at a particular level of the hierarchy

35:28 - so there needs to be a conveyor belt that can take people through the hierarchy

36:38 - god and spirituality mean different things to different levels - the hierarchy exists in all traditions, all paths, all lines

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