3:20 - the twenty tenets are just tendencies; try to hold this stuff loosely
7:30 - a new holon includes eros
7:50 - a new holon has prehension, prehends its preceding moment
8:58 - including is the past determining a holon's present configuration; transcending is introducing novelty / creativity
18:01 - the horizon (the end limit) for vertical development (structures) is supermind (still sounds goofy to me), the horizon for horizontal development (states) is big mind
32:47 - when you understand the difference between states and structures, a lot of the traditions' ideas about ascending and descending paths become much more coherent
36:38 - higher structures eventually include states
46:04 - cultures survive adding a higher stage only if they make the previous stage a workable, functional station of life
Sunday, August 23, 2009
Friday, August 21, 2009
Integral Post Metaphysics (May 27 2007) part 3
3:44 - meditation can cement you at a certain level
3:51 - if the quadrants are working with you, meditation can help you develop
8:38 - the formless infinite ground, Nirguna Brahman, subsists before humans, but does not exist until humans
45:19 - the theological conundrum: God is all-knowing, all-present and all-good; you can have two of those
53:52 - involutionary givens: what are the minimum requirements needed?
54:26 - 1. eros
56:23 - 2. logos
57:11 - 3. spacetime cosmos
58:42 - when you get an explanation of what those three are, that will vary according to altitude
3:51 - if the quadrants are working with you, meditation can help you develop
8:38 - the formless infinite ground, Nirguna Brahman, subsists before humans, but does not exist until humans
45:19 - the theological conundrum: God is all-knowing, all-present and all-good; you can have two of those
53:52 - involutionary givens: what are the minimum requirements needed?
54:26 - 1. eros
56:23 - 2. logos
57:11 - 3. spacetime cosmos
58:42 - when you get an explanation of what those three are, that will vary according to altitude
Sunday, August 16, 2009
Integral Post Metaphysics (May 27 2007) part 2
0:10 - enlightenment is not the result of any action (that would make realization temporal)
0:39 - what's happening is you're going through each state one by one, exhaustively seeing that it's not there
4:26 - progression is making each state an object
4:38 - if you can see it, it's not your real self
20:40 - is what's arising dependent on the altitude?
20:57 - the traditions described nondual as the union of emptiness and form, but keep in mind that form is evolving
21:25 - you can have state enlightenment, and only be one with all form up to a certain level
21:37 - if the higher structures haven't arisen in your awareness, you can't be one with them
22:38 - so if we're having a discussion about enlightenment, be sure to determine whether it's vertical enlightenment or horizontal enlightenment
57:33 - nonduality is the union of freedom and fullness
0:39 - what's happening is you're going through each state one by one, exhaustively seeing that it's not there
4:26 - progression is making each state an object
4:38 - if you can see it, it's not your real self
20:40 - is what's arising dependent on the altitude?
20:57 - the traditions described nondual as the union of emptiness and form, but keep in mind that form is evolving
21:25 - you can have state enlightenment, and only be one with all form up to a certain level
21:37 - if the higher structures haven't arisen in your awareness, you can't be one with them
22:38 - so if we're having a discussion about enlightenment, be sure to determine whether it's vertical enlightenment or horizontal enlightenment
57:33 - nonduality is the union of freedom and fullness
Thursday, August 13, 2009
Integral Post Metaphysics (May 27 2007) part 1
1:53 - the nine yanas, the nine vehicles in Tibetan Buddhism, the stages of meditative development are states of consciousness
2:11 - which is horizontal development
2:15 - vertical development is structures of consciousness
19:57 - social holons are individual holons plus their exchanged artefacts
20:13 - institutions don't have agency; institutions are the pathways that human agency follows
21:09 - socio-cultural holons don't have a dominant monad
24:24 - green has a tendency to not allow development or discussion of growth, because that implies that something is better than something else
34:33 - the ten paramitas are lines
36:56 - there are state-stages of meditation
37:25 - there's a difference between structures of consciousness and states of consciousness
37:30 - and thus, a difference between structure-stages (Loevinger) and state-stages (Underhill, ten ox herding pictures, St. John of the Cross, St. Theresa's seven mansions, etc.)
38:19 - They are both developmental, but are not the same kind of stages
38:31 - meditation and contemplative stages are transpersonal stages (so far so good)
38:39 - modern psychology deals with pre-personal and personal stages (here it comes)
38:44 - so let's stick the transpersonal stages on top! (wrong!)
40:13 - meditation allows you to push wakefulness from the waking state into subtle, causal and nondual (state-stages)
42:22 - what happens in meditation is you wake up; that means literally you push wakefulness into waking, dreaming and deep sleep
44:35 - what's wrong with the statement "you have to be somebody before you can be nobody"?
44:56 - if that were true, then only people at an extremely high level of development could have spiritual experiences (that's obviously wrong)
47:58 - developing through state-stages can help accelerate development through structure-stages
49:08 - in structural development, that statement is of course correct, you have to form an egoic structure before you can transcend it (the same as having to develop rationality first to get to post-rational, etc.)
49:44 - states of consciousness are ever-present; structures aren't ever-present
57:10 - why is enlightenment important?
58:18 - Buddha and Christ didn't have Buddhism and Christianity in mind
58:27 - perfectly realized human being is an oxymoron
58:52 - good definition of awakening: one's awakening to the realization of how ignorant one truly is (awakening as the beginning of spiritual maturity, not the end)
2:11 - which is horizontal development
2:15 - vertical development is structures of consciousness
19:57 - social holons are individual holons plus their exchanged artefacts
20:13 - institutions don't have agency; institutions are the pathways that human agency follows
21:09 - socio-cultural holons don't have a dominant monad
24:24 - green has a tendency to not allow development or discussion of growth, because that implies that something is better than something else
34:33 - the ten paramitas are lines
36:56 - there are state-stages of meditation
37:25 - there's a difference between structures of consciousness and states of consciousness
37:30 - and thus, a difference between structure-stages (Loevinger) and state-stages (Underhill, ten ox herding pictures, St. John of the Cross, St. Theresa's seven mansions, etc.)
38:19 - They are both developmental, but are not the same kind of stages
38:31 - meditation and contemplative stages are transpersonal stages (so far so good)
38:39 - modern psychology deals with pre-personal and personal stages (here it comes)
38:44 - so let's stick the transpersonal stages on top! (wrong!)
40:13 - meditation allows you to push wakefulness from the waking state into subtle, causal and nondual (state-stages)
42:22 - what happens in meditation is you wake up; that means literally you push wakefulness into waking, dreaming and deep sleep
44:35 - what's wrong with the statement "you have to be somebody before you can be nobody"?
44:56 - if that were true, then only people at an extremely high level of development could have spiritual experiences (that's obviously wrong)
47:58 - developing through state-stages can help accelerate development through structure-stages
49:08 - in structural development, that statement is of course correct, you have to form an egoic structure before you can transcend it (the same as having to develop rationality first to get to post-rational, etc.)
49:44 - states of consciousness are ever-present; structures aren't ever-present
57:10 - why is enlightenment important?
58:18 - Buddha and Christ didn't have Buddhism and Christianity in mind
58:27 - perfectly realized human being is an oxymoron
58:52 - good definition of awakening: one's awakening to the realization of how ignorant one truly is (awakening as the beginning of spiritual maturity, not the end)
Wednesday, July 8, 2009
Monday, July 6, 2009
Appendix 1 (May 12 2007) part 2
2:16 - contextualization, green postmodernism sounds like Maha Ati (but there's no injunction)
11:55 - generally, ontology is the study of being
12:26 - epistemology is the study of knowing
12:50 - metaphysics is the study of reality
18:33 - while in I Am-ness, there's not even a sense of I-ness; there's no first or second or third person; there's just everything arising and self-cognizing
18:43 - as soon as there's a boundary in your own self, that indicates others (God, perhaps, or others like yourself)
19:16 - Nirvikalpa - without form; Savikalpa - with form
19:26 - Nirguna Brahman is Brahman without qualities and can only be known through the injunctions to awaken the direct experience of it
20:57 - coming out of an experience of oneness, then experiencing a boundary (and thus, others) can be overwhelming
24:21 - agape is the love that embraces
24:24 - you get to nonduality by having the union of emptiness and form; when emptiness and form are one, that's nonduality
25:04 - could emptiness emerge?
26:08 - Nirguna Brahman has no qualities; Saguna Brahman has qualities
26:43 - Saguna Brahman is evolving; emptiness isn't
26:52 - Whitehead divides Godhead into primordial nature and consequent nature
27:02 - primordial nature is Sine qua non, necessary qualities
27:29 - consequent nature is the sum total of the evolving world
27:42 - Saguna Brahman has an agape, a reaching down to embrace everything that has emerged; and has an eros, a reaching forward to its higher unions
33:29 - anything you say about emptiness will have an opposite; therefore, incorrect
34:40 - every holon has four drives, two vertical and two horizontal
34:49 - the drive upwards toward greater wholeness is eros
34:55 - the drive downward that embraces what is already in existence is agape
35:06 - the two horizontal drives are agency and communion, the drive to be whole and autonomous, and the drive to be a part of something, to be in relationship
35:33 - if you're just talking about the relative realm, you can say that nonduality is the union of eros and agape, agency and communion
55:48 - I, we, it and its co-emerge
11:55 - generally, ontology is the study of being
12:26 - epistemology is the study of knowing
12:50 - metaphysics is the study of reality
18:33 - while in I Am-ness, there's not even a sense of I-ness; there's no first or second or third person; there's just everything arising and self-cognizing
18:43 - as soon as there's a boundary in your own self, that indicates others (God, perhaps, or others like yourself)
19:16 - Nirvikalpa - without form; Savikalpa - with form
19:26 - Nirguna Brahman is Brahman without qualities and can only be known through the injunctions to awaken the direct experience of it
20:57 - coming out of an experience of oneness, then experiencing a boundary (and thus, others) can be overwhelming
24:21 - agape is the love that embraces
24:24 - you get to nonduality by having the union of emptiness and form; when emptiness and form are one, that's nonduality
25:04 - could emptiness emerge?
26:08 - Nirguna Brahman has no qualities; Saguna Brahman has qualities
26:43 - Saguna Brahman is evolving; emptiness isn't
26:52 - Whitehead divides Godhead into primordial nature and consequent nature
27:02 - primordial nature is Sine qua non, necessary qualities
27:29 - consequent nature is the sum total of the evolving world
27:42 - Saguna Brahman has an agape, a reaching down to embrace everything that has emerged; and has an eros, a reaching forward to its higher unions
33:29 - anything you say about emptiness will have an opposite; therefore, incorrect
34:40 - every holon has four drives, two vertical and two horizontal
34:49 - the drive upwards toward greater wholeness is eros
34:55 - the drive downward that embraces what is already in existence is agape
35:06 - the two horizontal drives are agency and communion, the drive to be whole and autonomous, and the drive to be a part of something, to be in relationship
35:33 - if you're just talking about the relative realm, you can say that nonduality is the union of eros and agape, agency and communion
55:48 - I, we, it and its co-emerge
Thursday, June 25, 2009
Appendix 1 (May 12 2007) part 1
8:33 - there's something more than the everyday, physical, manifest world of sin, separation, samsara
8:51 - there are also states of freedom, liberation, transcendence, salvation
9:02 - but you must give reasons / explanations in support of that position
9:24 - and the reasons / explanations didn't hold
9:34 - because the framework was outmoded
9:46 - transpersonal theorists / spiritual people / proponents of the great chain need to pass the validity claims of modernity and postmodernity
9:49 - the validity claim for modernity is evidence, the validity claim for postmodernity is contextualization
10:34 - we can have a metaphysics that works in modern and postmodern contexts
14:12 - the physical, material, gross world is not the lowest level of the great chain, it's the exterior manifestation of all levels
47:06 - first there is undifferentiated, ineffable unity
47:18 - unity breaks into polarity
48:05 - Spinoza defines substance as an escape from modal, finite, relative thinking to the ineffable unity
48:38 - Ken thinks the absolute ultimate has a different relationship to the relative
48:50 - the ultimate does not give rise to the relative
49:01 - the problem is when we try to philosophize about the absolute without doing the injunctions that give rise to the absolute
49:20 Spinoza identifies substance as having a thousand qualities, including thought and extension; Nagarjuna says that the absolute is not thought or extension or both or neither and cannot be discussed at all (Ken misspoke and said Spinoza when he meant Nagarjuna)
49:43 - the absolute is what you experience when you do an injunction that will allow you to experience the deep formless dream state
50:04 - you can only define the absolute given the injunctions that will give you a realization of Godhead
50:14 - so Spinoza's problem is he is trying to get at the absolute through thought without an injunctive program that will yield realization of the absolute
50:55 - metaphysics is (here defined as) assertion without evidence
51:56 - the only way to arrive at nondual is through emptiness (and there must be an injunction to have that experience)
52:11 - that's emptiness united with form; if you don't have the emptiness, then you don't have nonduality (there can't be a union of emptiness and form because you didn't have emptiness to start with)
53:15 - you can always intuit emptiness, the everpresent ground (the left hand quadrants and the right hand quadrants are inseparable)
54:50 - the emptiness described in the traditions is the witness remaining conscious through all states through all 24 hours
55:45 - no injunction, no nonduality
55:59 - you can intuit it, though
8:51 - there are also states of freedom, liberation, transcendence, salvation
9:02 - but you must give reasons / explanations in support of that position
9:24 - and the reasons / explanations didn't hold
9:34 - because the framework was outmoded
9:46 - transpersonal theorists / spiritual people / proponents of the great chain need to pass the validity claims of modernity and postmodernity
9:49 - the validity claim for modernity is evidence, the validity claim for postmodernity is contextualization
10:34 - we can have a metaphysics that works in modern and postmodern contexts
14:12 - the physical, material, gross world is not the lowest level of the great chain, it's the exterior manifestation of all levels
47:06 - first there is undifferentiated, ineffable unity
47:18 - unity breaks into polarity
48:05 - Spinoza defines substance as an escape from modal, finite, relative thinking to the ineffable unity
48:38 - Ken thinks the absolute ultimate has a different relationship to the relative
48:50 - the ultimate does not give rise to the relative
49:01 - the problem is when we try to philosophize about the absolute without doing the injunctions that give rise to the absolute
49:20 Spinoza identifies substance as having a thousand qualities, including thought and extension; Nagarjuna says that the absolute is not thought or extension or both or neither and cannot be discussed at all (Ken misspoke and said Spinoza when he meant Nagarjuna)
49:43 - the absolute is what you experience when you do an injunction that will allow you to experience the deep formless dream state
50:04 - you can only define the absolute given the injunctions that will give you a realization of Godhead
50:14 - so Spinoza's problem is he is trying to get at the absolute through thought without an injunctive program that will yield realization of the absolute
50:55 - metaphysics is (here defined as) assertion without evidence
51:56 - the only way to arrive at nondual is through emptiness (and there must be an injunction to have that experience)
52:11 - that's emptiness united with form; if you don't have the emptiness, then you don't have nonduality (there can't be a union of emptiness and form because you didn't have emptiness to start with)
53:15 - you can always intuit emptiness, the everpresent ground (the left hand quadrants and the right hand quadrants are inseparable)
54:50 - the emptiness described in the traditions is the witness remaining conscious through all states through all 24 hours
55:45 - no injunction, no nonduality
55:59 - you can intuit it, though
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