Thursday, April 2, 2009

A Miracle Called We (Mar 11 2007) part 5

0:12 - taking a second person perspective is to move from egocentric to ethnocentric

0:19 - there is third person awareness, but not a third-person perspective

0:32 - which come with formal operational cognition / orange / adolescence

0:54 - the quadrants are always present, but they're not self-reflexively aware (until a certain stage of development)

10:21 - an eight-year-old may be in a hermeneutic space, but that doesn't mean they can do hermeneutics

16:22 - there's no freedom involved

17:34 - quadrant absolutism is denying things in other quadrants

17:51 - freedom is in zone one

19:07 - our freedom is not as clear-cut as we would like to think

20:41 - but let us not eliminate freedom entirely

21:01 - if freedom is to some extent defined as indeterminacy, there is some in every holon

23:00 - how is it great meditators did not advance through the stages / structures / levels?

24:22 - they didn't because conditions have to be right in all four quadrants

24:54 - meditation is a help, but is not a cause (of growth)

24:59 - it's possible meditation can reinforce a level

25:24 - a state of consciousness will be interpreted by the structure of consciousness that holds it

25:33 - if you are in an environment that encourages freedom, growth and exploration, meditation will increase the likelihood of advancement (but not be the cause)

26:13 - in an ethnocentric, traditional environment, higher states will be interpreted according to the dogma

27:20 - all of which goes to show once again that structures of consciousness and states of consciousness are independent

28:17 - if you are inside an amber / blue / mythic membership culture and meditate, you won't attain higher structure; higher structures don't exist in that culture

28:30 - meditation fundamentally encourages horizontal movement through states of consciousness

28:57 - meditation can exert a micro-transformative vertical pressure (if the quadrants are not directly opposing it), but the results are spotty

34:40 - a good theory is a theory that can last long enough to get you to a better one

36:00 - there are 8 fundamental methodologies - use them

36:25 - traditional Zen teaching tells you to just drop everything, which is really pretty unhelpful

37:21 - in Buddhism, there is a relative truth and an absolute truth

37:33 - in the absolute realm, there is no qualities, no division, all is eternal, timeless emptiness

37:53 - in the relative, manifest realm, we have politics, society, environment, psychology, health, etc.

38:03 - saying "just drop all that" is outright unethical - http://www.mro.org/zmm/teachings/daido/teisho57.php

38:14 - yes, it's all a dream, it's all an illusion, maya, to be dropped, okay, cool, we got it

38:21 - once you achieve that awareness, you have to integrate emptiness and form

38:27 - easing relative suffering is an ethical demand; the relative world of form requires scientists, educators, politicians who can work toward this

38:43 - sitting and achieving nondual awareness is an individual achievement; it gets you off the wheel, but helps no one else

39:25 - there are currently popular teachers of the nondual path; Byron Katie, Eckhart Tolle, etc.

39:52 - but where they're lacking is in the integration of emptiness and form

40:25 - we need to get people well-rounded and awakened; not just awakened

40:57 - the Lankavatara Sutra integrates emptiness and the manifestation of the world of form into a complete holarchy

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